Are Class 2 machines AP?

[Dan NguyenParticipant]

There is a big debate in the AP community on whether Class 2 (bingo based) machines are AP.  I see various games e.g. Cash Falls, Frankenstein, Golden Egypt, Magic Treasures, Ocean Magic Grand, Stack up pays, Temple falls that are Class 2 machines in Oklahoma but haven’t dared to play them when there are Class 3 machines available. Please tell us your thoughts on if Class 2 machines are AP.

[NickelsParticipant]

That’s a really good question. I don’t really live in a part of the country that has Class 2, so I haven’t run across it very often. My understanding is that they aren’t beatable, but then I’ve heard of people testing those game themes and having good results, I don’t know if that’s just variance or not.

 

I do know that in a similar vein…the Historic Horse Racing (HHR) machines that exist in places like Kentucky, New Hampshire, Wyoming, etc. do appear to have true persistence. In particular I’ve seen Money Balls and Stack Ups in HHR format, and they appear to function like normal…albeit without the ability to speed spin, because they have to show you the horse racing animation too. So maybe it isn’t so far-fetched to think that Class 2 games have found a loophole for persistence as well.

[Ben RosenthalKeymaster]

Same here. I have no experience with what you’re describing. I’ll ask around and see if anyone I know has any insight.

[Ben RosenthalKeymaster]

Here’s what I’m hearing: “They skirt loopholes so places can have slots in places where companies have strangleholds on casinos/games.”

As far as whether they’re beatable: “I am not sure. I’ve played them and they didn’t seem much different. Some people say they are worse.”

So there’s my non-answer to that question. Guess we’ll all need more of a sample to try to say anything definitively.

[Overtim3dParticipant]

How do I tell the difference between whether I’m playing a Class 2 or Class 3 game (e.g. Cash Falls, Frankenstein, Golden Egypt, Magic Treasures, Ocean Magic Grand etc.)?

[Ben RosenthalKeymaster]

From my limited understanding (I’ll ask around), these are going to be casino- and state-specific. As in, you’re not going to be walking around an average casino and see some slots with this configuration and others without. If anyone has more insight, fire away. I’ll circle back here when I hear more.

[NickelsParticipant]

@Overtim3d A class 2 machine will have a bingo display somewhere on the machine, probably in one of the upper corners. Similarly, an HHR game will have a horse racing display, usually in the top left corner.

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